I found the tuning slides neatly wrapped in plain brown paper, they had been on a shelf for several years, ever since I put them there after picking them and their horn and some other stuff that I had the Anderson’s in Elkhart strip of silver plating. So, Where’s the horn? It’s the perfect time to do inventory. The first place I looked, and inventoried, didn’t have it…The second place I looked, and inventoried, didn’t have it…But the third place did. In this nifty old Reynolds bottom up side down case. It was apart, no valves in place, They were in a little plastic slotted box, no slides in place (they were in the neatly wrapped brown paper). Of course, I didn’t take any pictures, not thinking of doing a blog entry.
Needless to say the horn was highly oxidized and required a ragging to remove the oxide. I didn’t polish out the scratches that remained after the stripping or the tiny amounts of silver plating that remained. You can see the action of Anderson’s stripping process as it has changed the minor lead solder residue to a pinkish color, much of which was removed during the ragging. This vintage, probably East German, possibly pre-war, had valve tuning slides that were somewhat over sized, and each slide has the valve cluster mfg. Number stamped on it. Number 3 in this case. The horn’s serial # is 64644M, One of the lower Hoyer serial numbers I’ve had, The lead pipe doesn’t have the GDR notation, but that might have been removed prior to being silver plated. It may have been done post production.So the horn as refurbished is prone to oxidizing, and butt ugly to a drum & bugle corps member. But, to me, that’s the way this horn should look. It’s over a half century old, and not a closet find.Oh, I forgot to mention that the bell had a patch from it’s earlier life, done from the inside of the seamed, hand hammered bell.So I covered the outer scaring and solder, on the outside, with a little Michigan Brass badge.Neat old horn with very good compression, that plays really well with a very good, large bottom end and the lovely Knopf/Hoyer/Geyer slurs and top end. A sweetie…
$1800 + ship.
I’d love more info if you can help me out, thanks.
Starting out with a Michigan Badge which is actually a patch on this Elkhart Conn 8D serial # 901414.
Detachable flare, unknown ring set, Very large similar to the Paxman large ringset, but I don’t have one to check if compatible. It engulfs an Alex ring.
It sets lower on the bell tail the corpus will not fit in some detach cases, It does fit in an Paxman flat case, the MB family of cases but not in a Yamaha flat case. Valve compression, usable, but has the usual minor leakage encountered in older Conns. On such horns I generally use a slightly heavier oil. It is pretty secure at the high end, insecurity is the sign of excessive valve clearance. It also sports the Mechanical linkage on the thumb valve.
The horn is a marriage of two Elkhart 8d’s the bell flair off one and the corpus and bell tail off another. The bell eliminated was crushed and torn in several places.
I can’t remember what happened to the corpus of the donor flare, but it has been gone for years. I thought the flare could be given a new life, as repaired, and will serve someone who is willing to live with it.
As mentioned above, the Bell flare sports a copper Michigan Badge/ patch and the flare has two high temp silver solder pin hole patches, see pics. the Nickle hand guard has a small dent.
Wire brushed satin finish…clean it with a green scrubbie… No lacquer with the exception of some residue inside the bell flare.
The Horn will be shipped either with an adjustable Holton pinky hook or a Conn “Flipper”, (your choice) in a fixed bell case.
A good horn for someone who needs a detach bell horn, and you get the Elkhart quality and NiSi sought by many at an affordable price $1650.00 + ship.
Next: an Elkhart Conn 6D, serial #C76540.
Very good valve compression, not plated.
92.65421% lacquer removed, (+ or -) finish will oxidize over time.
All slides work as intended. no loose solder joints.
signs of work previously done.
signs of bell winkles have been rolled out.
A perfect “up north horn” for those who need a travel horn that has already been abused.
Plays well, full range Pedal E to high C. Someone who plays well can probably extend both ways. I find High C better @ 1& 3, Seems high on open, but being deaf in one ear and also listening to severe tinnitus all the time, everything sounds different.
This set of horns is a mix of established known horns. They are intended to serve a student into university, or a re-emergent adult with a horn that plays well. They “have not” a drum & bugle corps look. They have all been gone through and every things works. Most have small dents, scratches and missing lacquer. I’ve tried to hold the prices at a reasonable level.
Yamaha YHR 561 SOLD
This model horn still has a strong following. This one is the later model. the earlier one had a different thumb linkage, which some folks found somewhat uncomfortable. As you can see this has a two part thumb linkage.
Plays very well, comes in an earlier model Yamaha case. $800.00 + shipping/insurance. It can be converted to a detachable for an additional $275.00 + cost or ringset. About 100.00 An Amado waterkey can be added for an additional $25.00. Other madness considered, let me know what you’re thinking….
Rose Brass/ “Goldmessing” Hoyer Compensating double with stop/transposing valve. SOLD
A professional level horn with factory Detachable bell. The compensating horn has a strong following in the EU and UK. In the States, the concept was weakened by the importation of another variant on the design, sold to school systems by Getzen. Some were made in Italy and some were made in Germany, and unfortunately many of them were less than well received. This horn can “stand” in either F or Bb. It plays wonderfully and is in tune across the Bb/ F horns and has silky smooth slurs. A serious horn for a serious player, young or old….$1800.00 in a modern flat screwbell case. If you want the factory case you can have it but it needs some attention to the carry handle.Finally, for now, a King Fidelio: SOLDMcCracken /Chuck Ward design. a free blowing Kruspe variant. This is the little brother of the King Eroica, the huge throated NiSi horn. Of the two I prefer this medium throated version. Very Good compression, some blemishes and minor denting. This King comes in a newer Case. It can be screwbelled for an additional $275.00 + cost of the Conn/Selmer ringset (Alex Compatible) @ $96.00. $800.00 + shipping and insurance.
Ask questions, more pics available for all these horns.
Yellow Brass Mirafone Serial # covered by ringset, but valve cluster #45. The horn’s ring set is a Conn/ Selmer alex compatible set.
The h0rn is not lacquered and will oxidize and needs to be wiped down after use or allowed to oxidize. It can be polished with any good silver/brass polish. Plays well , very good (not new) compression. All slides are brass in NiSi outers.
A nice Kruspe wrap horn. Spatulas have have some wear as seen in the pics below. Custom additions could include an Amado water key, an adjustable pinky hook, and or a Conn Selmer flipper. Ask for price.
It has new springs and (mostly) new corks, and restrung.
The horn, up close has signs of previous work done, a couple small dents. Probably imported in the early 60’s. Let me know if you have information to the contrary, I’ll add it to the listing.
Shipped in a flat detach case, or a standard fixed bell case, if you already have a good detach case. $1800.00 + ship
Next Reynolds FEO3 detach
Serial #211357. Late 1965, polished and ragged, with some remaining scratches and a few hard to reach dents that do not affect the performance of the horn. The inside of the flare still has lacquer.The valves have very good, not new, compression. They haven’t been plated.
This horn will satisfy a serious younger player, college music education major or adult on a budget that would like a detachable flare for portability
The FEO 3 model was added to the Reynolds line after they dropped the Pottag and Chambers models due to a dispute with the new owners. The FEO3 is the Chambers Model.
Additional features can be added to this horn. Holton Adjustable Pinky Hood, or Conn/selmer flipper @ $95.00 each . Amado water key @25.00
Comes in a flat case. with fuzzy liner over styrofoam w/ a single MP hole, no mute storage.
$1250.00 + ship SOLD
F. Schmidt/ VMI// Hoyer stencil horn, Yellow brass Geyer wrap. Made in Markneukirchen, Germany in the same plant that the Hoyer horns are made. Serial #373422M
It retains most of the factory Lacquer.
The horn has an adjustable thumb lever which allows changes in the angle of the spatula and it also has in and out adjustment
FE Olds Geyer wrap w/ Marsten valves. Corpus mainly Brass with NiSi branch and bell tail. A Web Quote: Reynolds… decided to use the Geyer wrap on this “high end” horn, although I am not sure. The man ( Marsten) who made the valves for Carl Geyer in Chicago was in LA and sold valves to the Olds company as well. He may have offered the valves to Olds and that may be how this Olds horn got the valves of a Geyer…
they really were from the same shop! I think that Mr. Reynolds was trying to build a better horn than Conn, and this geyer/knopf wrap allowed him to build a big horn with a freer blowing feel.
It is a fine horn made to compete with the big Nickel horns of the day, yet using the Geyer wrap.
The signature Marsten top bearing plate.
$2000.00 price reduced to $1550.00
A. Bopp, Munich, compensating Double horn, Seldom see horn by this maker, very light weight 4# 10 oz.Compensating tuning slides on top of Bb slides
Open grip, not suitable for a smaller hand.
Beautiful hand files linkage Change valve linkage is jointed.
Note the openness of the grip
A super nice 3/4 size Besson Compensating double horn. Excellent condition,
An excellent horn for a younger small stature student, or an adult seeking a small horn or where weight is a factor. I believe this horn was built by Lidl in CZ.
It’s time to list a few new “used” horns for sale:
An early Yamaha 321. serial 000655. It’s in super shape, near 100% lacquer and a few little “boinks”.
It comes with an F extension which is inserted into the thumb operated stop valve.
I think this is the cleanest 321 I’ve ever had.
Comes with the factory case. $1075.00 + ship.
Another Yamaha: A 667D with its factory case. This horn was owned by a retiring east coast player who recently moved to the Midwest.The horn is in near new condition.
It plays very well and is suitable for a serious upcoming player or any other person who is looking for a super horn.
$3000.00 + ship/ insurance.
A Tubbs built five valve Bb w/ F extension.Made using Yamaha parts. The ringset is Alex compatible. It sports a Michigan badge.Plays very well. The F extension is controlled by the thumb and the pinky controls the stop valve.It has an Alex flipper and no pinky hook.$1250.00+ ship
Finally, a Hoyer stencil. “F. Schmidt” Geyer wrap. this horn was made in the same VMI factory that produces the Hoyer horns.
YHR 561 (second version w/Bb tuning slide) #202538.
Lacquer is about 60%. Missing in wear and areas that have had repairs done. This is not a 100% perfect Drum & Bugle corps look.
Plays very well, in tune across the Bb /F horns. As they say butt ugly, but a good horn for a player who is more concerned with sound and learning to play horn than having the most expensive, newest, the most shine, etc. Valves serviced, ultrasonically cleaned, new strings, neoprene bumpers, in a functional Yamaha case. $875.00 SOLD
VMI/Hoyer factory , ‘F. Schmidt’ geyer wrap. Valve top bearing plates have an oil port. string linkage except for mechanical change lever, which is allows the horn to stand in either Bb or F. (currently in F).
This ‘stencil’ horn plays as a Hoyer and is ready to go. valves utrasonically cleaned, valves serviced, all lubed up with new cork bumpers, etc. Plays well. 95% lacquer. Serial #359373M
Adjustable pinky hook, good fixed bell case. Can be screw-belled for additional fee. (ask)
McCraken design King Fidelio, #100258, good shape with minor boinks and some lacquer loss. Has had a complete service. This is the medium bore brother to the NiSi “Eroica”.
good case, Lead pipe has small patches. (Can be replace with a McCracken pipe for an additional fee)
Plays very well, 1150.00Reynolds FEO3 #234063. 50% lacquer, Hand grip cover, adjustable pinky Hook.
Reynolds are a “best buy” horn. Highly sought after in the UK and Europe for advanced students and pro played in many venues.
Amado Water key, new bumpers and a ultrasonic valve service
It has a Michigan badge on the back bow. Bell never folded. Original leadpipe. Neat old horn which I sold to a university student (from the UP) several years ago, who is moving on to a higher degree in the sciences.
Now that early summer is near, my bell tree is in full flower. Every year it’s slightly different….But, you’ll notice a door in the second pic. that leads to the “root cellar” where the horn studio does much of its banging.
For the last winter, I moved enough stuff (junk) to the laundry room and set up where the dryer should be. Note the wash waiting to be done. We’ve been exploring the drying of our laundry w/o a dryer. So in an effort to conserve energy I worked “out of the root cellar” for a winter season. It was a bit tight and one horn at a time was about it…Looking west out the door to the side yard.As you can see. not an ideal space to work in. So this spring, I unloaded the root cellar onto the driveway and began a re-do of the root cellar space. Remember much of the high grade stuff was in the laundry room….
the entrance door. The cut into the root cellar. . The planning of how to make it work better began. The floor is bricks set in sand and the walls are white washed brick inside the original stone structure. The room’s area w/o any thing in it is 9 X 14.The north wall which is the shared wall to the Bathroom. the west wall has a drain that allows and standing water to make its way into a “french drain” system. We recently has this re-worked and now now it drains into the ditch at the north property line.Where the drain leaves the root cellar.The trip to the road ditch.The anti critter (of size) outlet….
Some of the things that were not removed during the cleaning out were the well storage tank and
My Dad’s work bench, the multi-drawer tool chest and a few
Horn parts, a collection of lead-pipes and first branches and some of the old horns hanging from
The huge Pot hanger I bought at a garage sale years ago. I would love to put this pot hanger in my kitchen, but it needs at least a 10′ ceiling…Plus then I couldn’t hang all sorts of junk on it. I purchased a new de-humidifier to hold down the moisture in the air, but it creates heat and warms the place up to about 85 degrees in no time….grr…..The iron tools rusting is a constant battle.
Thank god horns don’t rust… So I moved Dad’s work bench to the north wall and started to bring in “stuff” from both the laundry room and outside.Most of my work is done on my little Island, a cast iron base with a work space, on top of a single drawer. Beyond it is another bench made out of a broken scaffolding plank. the french drain out let is below the left side of this apparatus, also covered with more “high grade junk”. You can see the floor pretty well in this pic. To the east of the well storage tank and the roll around tool chest there is room for two 36 X18 wire shelf systems which hold 12 horn each. then where my Dad’s work bench was I placed another single drawer work table made from a base I found at a local Habitat Re-store.Below it is my old broken de-humidifier. (It runs for about 15 seconds and then dies) If I can get it working, I’ll donate it to Habitat, otherwise ???Even the entry way is starting to get filled… More blather to follow, including a re-work of this plan…Oh. boy!! let’s move more stuff…..
Yamaha 561, Serial #001383
about 1980-82 (35+ years old)
Brass tuning slides in nickel outer tubing
w/ minor stripped areas where work was done,
repaired lead-pipe, (see pic) , an amado water key cam be added for $30.00.
Brass nickel trim
fixed pinky hook, For an adjustable Holton pinky hook add $75.00
Brown Yamaha case with a repaired handle.
Yamaha 561, in good playing condition. Has a wonderful full sound, not stuffy. The horn plays/ slot well and is in-tune across the Bb/F horns. This horn was Yamaha’s intermediate double horn when built, about 1982, the first variant/ model did not have Bb tuning slide of the later 561 to 666 models. A sturdy horn and would serve a serious student, Jr. Hi into College or it will serve any adult player well. I’ve played it in a variety of venues and have always liked the 561’s. The lacquer is a good 85%, with slight scratching. It has never had the flare folded but the back bow has had some dent raising and there are signs of previous solder work, but no big globs of solder or any buzzes. It does have minor internal wrap denting, none of which will alter the play-ability of the horn. The valves are in very good condition, the top and bottom bearings have been adjusted, bumper and valve strings and cork bumper stops replaced the hardened black rubber stops. All slides function smoothly and are not leaky or loose. It had a fixed pinky hook, which could be adjusted in or out for the next owners hand size. I’d say it’s about factory setting now, although it has been moved at least once. Comes in a Yamaha Brown case. Email questions. Buyer pays shipping based upon the USPS priority mail calculator to your zip code. @ 20 LBS 18 X 18 X 27 “ box. Pay Pal, or personal check OK. _800.00 SOLD
The second horn will be added later, (on the bench)…
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