I purchased this horn about 15 years ago. It has never been worked on, until recently, for that period of time. It is an Old 28D from the days of the Korean Way when Nickle became scarce and Conn made horns that were darn near w/o anything nickle. The flare has a rim tear where the bell rim wire is actually broken.
You can see the break in this pics, also the weight of the flare with a flare side ring set sitting on it for the scale. One of the options is to save the flare with a silver solder repair to the inner bell ring and a patch on the outer flare. as is, it weighs about 330g.
The valves have good compression , better than most older Conns I’ve had here at the studio. They haven’t been plated and If some one wanted super-tight compression, they should be done. Personally, for me, they are fine, all the notes I need to High C are well centered and none are wolfish…I set it up with Conn-Selmer 8D ringset which is alex compatible. The NiSi flare is off a High-Braze Elkhart 8D. It weights about 335 g.
If you want a heavier flare to honk upon I also have a Conn Eastlake yellow brass bell @ 453g.
The horn is of the vintage with the mechanical thumb lever linkage. Which seems to have a slightly longer throw than the later string linkage.
The one oddity is that the F #2 slide has nickle ferrules and pull ring, although the bow is brass and therefore not off an 8D. The 6D horns use a narrower ferrules, it’s not off a 6D either…. The entire horn has been given a light wire brush scratch finish, no lacquer, and can be cleaned with a green scrubbie. I don’t have a huge buffing setup and sort of like the matt finish the scratch finish gives. The other advantage is that it doesn’t remove metal as heavy buffing does. I’ve had more than one “Drum Corps look” older horn (Ie: refinished) where the back bow had been buffed so heavily that you could dent it with your thumb nail.
As with all horns, near SS age, 4253XX,(1953) It shows signs of repairs and past damage, there are many very small little dings, etc., none of which would alter the way the horn sounds. The horn will be for sale, and a adjustable pinky hook or a flipper or a Clebsh Strap installed. It will possibly have multiple flares, the repaired factory Bell flare, the NiSi flare, or the Eastlake flare, mix of match, Contact me if interested and we’ll thrash it out. I want to get a couple of “better than me” players to give it a honk and feedback. My tinnitus is severe and being nearly deaf in my left ear I hear horns differently that I used to….
Mirafone rosebrass Kruspe wrap double French horn. In the USA, Miraphone marketed an excellent line of Kruspe Wrap horns in NiSi, rose and yellow brass, with or without a Krantz.
Once, I had a Geyer wrap Mirafone, but have only seen that one. Currently they seem to be specializing in lower brass instruments.
This horn has no visible serial number, but has an assembly # of 35 on the valve cluster. Nickel slides yellow brass. I think the serial # is hidden under the ring setI sold this horn years ago and it recently ‘came back’ in trade.
All valves use a string linkage., New corks, and string. Valves are fast, and the nickel slides are smooth and easy to move. Very good compression
A terrific horn for a serious student player or adult. Free blowing and well centered. Signs of minor dent and solder work. No serious dents on the horn. If you’re looking for a German built horn and prefer the sound of a “goldmessing” brass horn this horn warrants your consideration. $1850.00 + ship
Email questions, Buyer to pay shipping and insurance. The horn will be shipped , in a fixed bell case, via priority mail in an 18 X 18 X 27 inch box @ 21 Pounds, insured. The cost is based the USPS price calculator, which you can access to determine fees to your address or country. 3-day notification return, if returned, buyer pays shipping both ways. Because of the Box’s size this horn cannot be shipped to countries with a 2m, 79 inch, girth plus one length limit. Shipped w/o a case, bound well in bubble wrap, it could fit in a smaller box.
A vintage Hans Hoyer built compensating double horn. Engraving on bell “Meister Hans Hoyer” No Serial # or GDR inscription. Possibly Pre-war.
This horn has a medium bore bell tail and has a Hand hammered seamed bell. It’s un-lacquered and has begun to develop a nice patina. Easily polished using any commercial brass/ copper polish.
It shows signs of minor dent, solder work, and has a few very minor remaining dings. The horn weighs 5# 3 ozs, It has Nickle inner and outer tuning slides. Spatulas are set a little lower than, a Conn 8d, for instance, and would be comfortable for a young or smaller hand.
This horn’s intonation is good and even across the Bb to F horn. Currently stands in F although it can be set either way. The low range is very good for a compensator, has a nice bright sound and is very free blowing, no stuffiness as is characteristic of some compensators.
It has been used for chamber music, a horn choir, and in orchestral situations.
It is ready to be played right away. The valves are fast, smooth, and the compression is very good. It comes in a molded hard case. $1475.00
A King Fidelio 2269. Designed by McCracken. Valves services, ultrasonic cleaning, re corked, strung and bearings at proper adjustment.
Lacquer at about 90%, scratched and darkened a couple of places where hear has been applied. Leadpipe installation…
The stoppers are the Later nylon/plastic parts. I prefer cork to the black rubber factory, which tends to harden.The back bow shows signs of previous dent raising.
This horn has been my loaner for several years, The original lead pipe had several small patches from its previous life, I recently acquired a used , delacquered ultrasonically cleaned factory leadpipe, with an Amado water key, which I installed.
This is a really nice example of the fidelio/2269 in good shape and it plays well. A good horn for a serious student or re-ermergent adult. $875.00 Both come with a functional case, They can be made detachable for $275.00 + cost of a ringset. (Conn Selmer Alex compatible about $98.00. as an example) In both cases the heat of the removal of the bell and subsequent work will burn the lacquer to some degree. Other stuff, adj pinky hook, flipper , amado keys, etc, can also be done.
Buyer pays shipping based on your zip code, to be calculated by the USPS calculator for an 18 X 18 X 27 “ box at 21 pounds, insurance is included in shipping quote. Square, Pay Pal, MO, or check OK. Neither horn can be shipped to countries that have the 2 meter girth + one length mail restrictions, ask, we’ll find out about your country. They can be shipped express priority, but VERY expensive… Like, over US$700.00 to Bolivia, for instance.
A YHR 567 D horn with a four serial number, 001XX, The 567’s are a medium bore “Geyer” wrap horn in Yellow Brass. Factory Detachable flare, high percentage original lacquer. I would say the horn is in “High” very good condition.
Horn plays exceptionally well, easy high register and a solid lower end. Factory detach case, a true 567D, not a 567 that has been cut, so it has the Yamaha ring set. Which sets a little higher than many ring sets and is lighter in weight.
There are numerous scratches to the lacquer and some tiny dents. Signs of minor dent raising. Nothing major has ever happened to this horn. Recent cleaning and Valve ultrasonic cleaning, new bumpers, string linkage, etc.
Additional pics available,
Shipped in large box 18 X 18 X 27 @ 21#s. Cannot be shipped to Countries w/ a 2m girth + one length postal restriction. Ask ?’s.
I’ll supply a mouthpiece is needed. $ 2350 + Ship/insurance.
Pasted below is the Make / weight chart that I’ve mentioned in an earlier blog. Over the years I’ve heard players talk up the idea that some horns are ‘so heavy’ or ‘light’. Sometimes this is merely a way of saying that they don’t like a specific type of horn, or a horn’s ‘wrap’. You’ll note some differences in weights of the same model horn. My feeling is that some horns have become heavier because the maker is marketing them to the school market and want to offer a sturdier horn. Some horns where once built-in town A and when the company moved to town B or C the horns changed. At times this happened because the ownership changed, others because the level of workmanship changed. The materials seem to make a slight difference, NiSi horns are somewhat heavier than brass horns, but factory produced horns are pretty consistent. I’m sorry that I didn’t have some ‘custom’ American horns weights to include, but I own none. I wonder what the Lawson, Berg, Hill, etc. horns would weigh? If you have one and want to chime in, you’re welcome. Of the 33 horns most are doubles with a few singles F & Bb to compare. There are no triples…
If you’re in need of a horn with a detachable flare, that plays well, and will not break the bank, this puppy is worth a look….
When I acquired this horn, a couple of years ago, it was in a state of dis-repair. Many minor dents, failing lacquer, heavily oxidized. So recently I worked it up, stripped the remaining lacquer (97.89654%) give or take a little….
Screw belled it using a Conn/Selmer 6D/9D ring set. The H178 is a medium bell throat horn. This ring set is Alex compatible. It has a single water key on the leadpipe.I removed the oxide by “ragging ” with worn out sanding strips and woven cloth tape w/ pumice stone. It gives a nice satin look. If you’re looking for a Drum Corp “Look” this is not your horn, It will oxidize unless you wipe the horn down after use and occasionally will need to be cleaned using a good copper or brass cleaner/polish. I generally do this once a year. During use your skin will turn colors where in contact with the horn. I’d recommend a leather hand guard to protect your left hand and wax the inside of the flare with paste floor wax, which will hold down the dreaded “green” on your right right where it rests in the flare.
This horn is from the mid 60’s and no longer is perfect in its appearance. There are signs of previous work done, and not all small dents were perfectly raised. The flare has had some creasing, but never a serious fold. As you may know, the Holton bells do not have an enclosed rim wire and if they are folded they generally crack at the rim.
The valves have been serviced, cleaned, re corked, new springs, with the rubber stops that holton horns use ( I prefer cork). The string linkage is Yamaha cord.The inside of the bell has a Green scrubbie finish, It does not shine. If you enjoy playing a horn with character that plays in tune across the F Bb horns easily to high C (for me, a duffer) and has a solid pedal range. I love the tonal color of yellow brass horn. All working slides are nickel in and out. All in all a very good working horn for a Music Ed student, a re-emergent adult, or a high school student who needs a detachable flare. Things that could be done to this horn to make it “customized” would be to put an adjustable Holton pinky hook or a Conn/Selmer flipper on it, @ $100 each. The case it will be shipped in is up for discussion. Detachable flare cases are widely variable and most players want to choose their own. Ask questions…. $1435.00 + ship.
Recently I received a telephone call from a retired vocal music professor. She had decided to part with her High School horn that has been a part of her life since the 60’s when she played it in High School.It is housed in its factory Olds case. It includes: two bottles of valve oil, a container of Paxman slide grease, a removed leather hand guard, a coiled wire scrubby brush, new unused valve string, and a brass non transposing mute. There are two mouthpieces, a Holton MDC and the factory Olds #3, both with heavy silver oxide where they protruded from the case. (This is removable with any good silver polish. ) So… Just the facts…A model O45 F E Olds double horn, (made in Fullerton CA) The one many folks call a 6d clone. Based upon serial number the horn was made in mid- 60’s. It is in excellent condition, well care for, never any damage aside from slight scratching of the lacquer. The compression is excellent, all slides work as intended. The owners desire is to find a good home for her old horn. It’s an excellent choice for a younger players first double for for a re-emergent adult. This horn will serve a student well into college, or through the re-discovery process of an adult returning to the horn. It is located in SE Michigan. You can pay via square, Pay Pal (a 3% fee will be charged) or with a check. Shipping will be in a box 18 ” X 18 ” X 27″ weighting about 20#’s. Buyer to pay shipping via USPS priority cost determined by a zip code to zip code “USPS shipping calculator”. + insurance.
I found the tuning slides neatly wrapped in plain brown paper, they had been on a shelf for several years, ever since I put them there after picking them and their horn and some other stuff that I had the Anderson’s in Elkhart strip of silver plating. So, Where’s the horn? It’s the perfect time to do inventory. The first place I looked, and inventoried, didn’t have it…The second place I looked, and inventoried, didn’t have it…But the third place did. In this nifty old Reynolds bottom up side down case. It was apart, no valves in place, They were in a little plastic slotted box, no slides in place (they were in the neatly wrapped brown paper). Of course, I didn’t take any pictures, not thinking of doing a blog entry.
Needless to say the horn was highly oxidized and required a ragging to remove the oxide. I didn’t polish out the scratches that remained after the stripping or the tiny amounts of silver plating that remained. You can see the action of Anderson’s stripping process as it has changed the minor lead solder residue to a pinkish color, much of which was removed during the ragging. This vintage, probably East German, possibly pre-war, had valve tuning slides that were somewhat over sized, and each slide has the valve cluster mfg. Number stamped on it. Number 3 in this case. The horn’s serial # is 64644M, One of the lower Hoyer serial numbers I’ve had, The lead pipe doesn’t have the GDR notation, but that might have been removed prior to being silver plated. It may have been done post production.So the horn as refurbished is prone to oxidizing, and butt ugly to a drum & bugle corps member. But, to me, that’s the way this horn should look. It’s over a half century old, and not a closet find.Oh, I forgot to mention that the bell had a patch from it’s earlier life, done from the inside of the seamed, hand hammered bell.So I covered the outer scaring and solder, on the outside, with a little Michigan Brass badge.Neat old horn with very good compression, that plays really well with a very good, large bottom end and the lovely Knopf/Hoyer/Geyer slurs and top end. A sweetie…
$1800 + ship.
I’d love more info if you can help me out, thanks.
Starting out with a Michigan Badge which is actually a patch on this Elkhart Conn 8D serial # 901414.
Detachable flare, unknown ring set, Very large similar to the Paxman large ringset, but I don’t have one to check if compatible. It engulfs an Alex ring.
It sets lower on the bell tail the corpus will not fit in some detach cases, It does fit in an Paxman flat case, the MB family of cases but not in a Yamaha flat case. Valve compression, usable, but has the usual minor leakage encountered in older Conns. On such horns I generally use a slightly heavier oil. It is pretty secure at the high end, insecurity is the sign of excessive valve clearance. It also sports the Mechanical linkage on the thumb valve.
The horn is a marriage of two Elkhart 8d’s the bell flair off one and the corpus and bell tail off another. The bell eliminated was crushed and torn in several places.
I can’t remember what happened to the corpus of the donor flare, but it has been gone for years. I thought the flare could be given a new life, as repaired, and will serve someone who is willing to live with it.
As mentioned above, the Bell flare sports a copper Michigan Badge/ patch and the flare has two high temp silver solder pin hole patches, see pics. the Nickle hand guard has a small dent.
Wire brushed satin finish…clean it with a green scrubbie… No lacquer with the exception of some residue inside the bell flare.
The Horn will be shipped either with an adjustable Holton pinky hook or a Conn “Flipper”, (your choice) in a fixed bell case.
A good horn for someone who needs a detach bell horn, and you get the Elkhart quality and NiSi sought by many at an affordable price $1650.00 + ship.
Next: an Elkhart Conn 6D, serial #C76540.
Very good valve compression, not plated.
92.65421% lacquer removed, (+ or -) finish will oxidize over time.
All slides work as intended. no loose solder joints.
signs of work previously done.
signs of bell winkles have been rolled out.
A perfect “up north horn” for those who need a travel horn that has already been abused.
Plays well, full range Pedal E to high C. Someone who plays well can probably extend both ways. I find High C better @ 1& 3, Seems high on open, but being deaf in one ear and also listening to severe tinnitus all the time, everything sounds different.
This set of horns is a mix of established known horns. They are intended to serve a student into university, or a re-emergent adult with a horn that plays well. They “have not” a drum & bugle corps look. They have all been gone through and every things works. Most have small dents, scratches and missing lacquer. I’ve tried to hold the prices at a reasonable level.
Yamaha YHR 561 SOLD
This model horn still has a strong following. This one is the later model. the earlier one had a different thumb linkage, which some folks found somewhat uncomfortable. As you can see this has a two part thumb linkage.
Plays very well, comes in an earlier model Yamaha case. $800.00 + shipping/insurance. It can be converted to a detachable for an additional $275.00 + cost or ringset. About 100.00 An Amado waterkey can be added for an additional $25.00. Other madness considered, let me know what you’re thinking….
Rose Brass/ “Goldmessing” Hoyer Compensating double with stop/transposing valve. SOLD
A professional level horn with factory Detachable bell. The compensating horn has a strong following in the EU and UK. In the States, the concept was weakened by the importation of another variant on the design, sold to school systems by Getzen. Some were made in Italy and some were made in Germany, and unfortunately many of them were less than well received. This horn can “stand” in either F or Bb. It plays wonderfully and is in tune across the Bb/ F horns and has silky smooth slurs. A serious horn for a serious player, young or old….$1800.00 in a modern flat screwbell case. If you want the factory case you can have it but it needs some attention to the carry handle.Finally, for now, a King Fidelio: SOLDMcCracken /Chuck Ward design. a free blowing Kruspe variant. This is the little brother of the King Eroica, the huge throated NiSi horn. Of the two I prefer this medium throated version. Very Good compression, some blemishes and minor denting. This King comes in a newer Case. It can be screwbelled for an additional $275.00 + cost of the Conn/Selmer ringset (Alex Compatible) @ $96.00. $800.00 + shipping and insurance.
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