Baby Sleep Consultant will help you restore your family's sleep patterns with a plan develop individually to suit you baby and your parenting style. Our insightful blogs provide further information and tips on all aspects of baby and toddler sleep problems and how you can improve things.
Little Abby was 14 months old, but still struggling with her sleep.
Not only was she very attached to her Mum, she was always either fed or rocked to sleep. Her two daytime naps were often done in the pram and her Mum would sometimes walk up to 12 kilometres a day, pushing her, in order for these to happen.
Not only that, Abby was waking 8 to 10 times a night; her parents (and Abby herself!) were exhausted!
A gentle approach
Abby’s Mum was very anxious about sleep training; she had already had the controlled crying method suggested to them, which she had tried and not had any success with. She was feeling a bit scarred by that experience and while she knew she wanted to get more help, she had reservations about what that might entail.
Melbourne-based sleep consultant Miriam did a 6pm to midnight consult with Abby’s family, which began with a big discussion with both parents. After talking through their options with Miriam, Abby’s parents decided that a gentle, ‘put down, put down’ approach was their preferred course of action. At Abby’s age, it was virtually impossible to guarantee a ‘no tears’ approach, but Abby’s parents felt better knowing this sleep approach meant that they could be in the room with her and physically supporting her to learn better sleep habits.
In there for the long haul
Because Abby was old enough to stand up in her cot, the first part of her sleep training approach was about getting her to lie down – and stay there. Miriam supported Abby’s Mum to do this in Abby’s room for over an hour that first night, using words to try to get Abby to lie herself back down, or physically putting her back down on the mattress each time she stood. As well as that, Abby’s Mum tried patting, singing, shushing – whatever worked to get Abby to go to sleep by herself in her cot.
This hard work and persistence paid off and eventually Abby fell asleep. Although she woke an hour later, it took only ten minutes of the same technique to support her back to sleep at that point. Another hour later, Abby settled herself.
It didn’t take long before Abby was consolidating her night-time sleep and, within five days of starting sleep training, Abby was sleeping right through the night! Her parents couldn’t believe such a “life-changing miracle” had occurred and were thrilled to have actually enjoyed dinner and a glass of wine together in an evening; a far cry from Abby’s Mum being stuck in the bedroom for hours trying to get Abby to settle for the night.
Having tackled Abby’s night sleeps – and achieving far more rest herself – Abby’s Mum is now applying the same techniques to Abby’s day-time naps, as well as moving these to better fit with the timing of a baby’s biological nap windows, as per Miriam’s plan. The impact on this family has been huge – and just goes to show that a gentle approach, that doesn’t compromise one’s personal parenting style, can still achieve incredibly positive results!
“She honestly saved us! We felt totally comfortable the entire time, she adapted a sleep routine to fit in with our family, 12 hours over night sleep and her day naps are going amazing! And there is constant support and check ups if needed..We can’t thank Miriam enough for her constant support & encouragement! Highly recommend these guys if your having any problems with bubs sleeping!”
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How can I night wean my 12 month old from his bottles?
My son has 2 full bottles each night around midnight and 4am, if I don’t give him these bottles, he cries for what feels like hours!
Nutritionally speaking if your baby has a healthy and balanced diet during the day, and has 2-3 bottles a day, your baby definitely doesn’t “need” those bottles at night, so we should be able to drop them relatively easily.
Formula at this age can be a great way to get nice and easy calories and extra vitamins and minerals in, especially if your 12 month old is a fussy eater. But the bottles during the day will be plenty of milk, and we can confidently night wean at this age.
Before we contemplate night weaning, we need to assess if there is any habitual hunger.
Habitual hunger vs Genuine hunger:
Genuine hunger is the wake ups your child experiences despite getting as many calories as possible during the day. They can’t eat anymore throughout the day until they are older and the night feeds are genuine hunger, we can’t usually drop these feeds. Often these wake ups to feed will be at different times or varied times each night.
Habitual hunger is the feeling of hunger your child has due to habitually having night feeds. They are old enough to eat enough throughout the day to drop these night feeds, but due to the habit of eating at night, they continue to wake and feel hungry. We can’t cold turkey drop these feeds despite your child’s age as your child is experiencing feelings of hunger.
Gradually reducing the amount your baby drinks each night gives your baby a chance to compensate in the day, and gradually increase calorie consumption during the day. Your baby might start to eat more solids, have bigger portions, consume slightly more protein, or their bottle volumes might increase.
Knowing they need to increase their day time calories, offer slightly more food at each meal, and increase the volume of your babies bottles, so they have the chance to eat more and drink more.
I recommend you reduce the bottles over 3-4 nights, this will give your baby time to get used to the reduction and not be too upset.
Sleeping through after night weaning:
Some babies, once you cut or reduce their night bottles they start to sleep through, linking their sleep cycles independently and you don’t have to do anything. Other’s it’s not so simple. You might successfully night wean, but your baby has been using these bottles to re-settle themselves after a sleep cycle overnight for quite some time. (See graph below for more information)
They need to learn a new way of falling back to sleep, and you might have to spend a few nights teaching them. If you want some one on one help with this, check out our packages HERE.
Night weaning doesn’t have to be stressful or involve weeks of crying and not settling. If your baby is ready to drop their night feeds, the process should be relatively stress free.
Signs your baby is ready to night wean?
Your baby is over 8 months old.
They are eating 3 solid meals a day.
They get and age appropriate amount of milk during the day (bottle or breast).
They are not hungry in the morning when they wake up.
Night feeds are causing your baby to become unsettled and wakeful at night.
Toddlers are tricky – no doubt about it!
They may be little, but often their personalities pack a big punch. They can infuriate us one minute and leave us laughing and thinking how lucky they are, that they are so damn cute the next!
When it comes to sleep – toddlers can be a little bit sneaky and clever. They are infamous for exerting their independence and creating every stalling tactic you can think of, as to why now is not the right time to go to sleep!
My 5 Toddler Sleep Must Knows… What are yours?
Let me know in the comments.
Don’t move your toddler into a big bed too soon – I suggest somewhere around 3 years of age is ideal. Toddlers do not have a lot of impulse control and as much as they know they are not meant to get out of bed – they just can’t help it! That new found freedom is just too exciting and you are now within easy reach.
Don’t enter into a negotiating battle with your 2-year-old – it is never going to be productive! Preempt their desire to negotiate and have everything prepared before you put them to bed. Have a nice wind down time before nap time and overnight sleep and by keeping this consistent your child will understand the routine, know what is coming and what is expected of them.
Toddlers have very little control over their world, as we are constantly setting the rules and boundaries for them. When it comes to sleep, we often find them trying to push for some control – hence the “I need a drink”, “I want another cuddle…” demands that they are so famous for! Giving them some control during the day with basic things that won’t have an impact on what you want them to do, can often help with this e.g. Try limited choices. Would you like to wear the blue or red t-shirt today? Would you like some banana or a pear for morning tea? Allow them to choose 2 stories before bed time and let them decide if we should read them on the chair or on the floor… By giving them a little control – they will be more inclined to follow your rules when you set them around sleep.
Offer lots of positive reinforcement – toddlers thrive on praise so be sure to give it to them when it’s due. Rather than focus on what they didn’t do quite right – let them know what you are super proud of. If they went to bed without a fuss, put their PJ’s on nicely, brushed their teeth well, stayed in their bed the whole night – let them know and be super animated about it – they will lap it up and this will encourage them to repeat the behaviour.
If you are having difficulty with your toddlers sleep and your toddler is not settling easily for the night, waking in the middle or the night or early for the day – you may need to take a look at their routine and address this and/or pop a settling technique in place. Toddlers have a great deal of stamina and so when changing things or implementing a new settling strategy at 3am up remember to be patient, super consistent and limit your interactions, toddlers thrive on attention!
Miriam is our Melbourne based certified infant and child sleep consultant. She is a mother and understands how lack of sleep can affect the entire family. Miriam is available for home and phone consults if you live outside of Melbourne.
Call Miriam on 0416 248 778 for a free no obligation chat about your toddler or babies sleep.
Praise for Miriam:
“After 3 nights of routine that Miriam gave us, we were back to sleeping through the night. We had a phone meeting with Miriam and she set the scene. She was very approachable and so helpful and helped us every step of the way. I highly recommend Miriam and have to thank her for some great non-interrupted sleeps over the last couple of weeks.” ~ Kirsty
“I am beyond thrilled and pleased to have contacted baby sleep consultants and use their incredible service. It has been a lifesaver. Miriam is very patient, understanding and very knowledgeable when it comes to the key to baby sleep consistency and I couldn’t thank her enough for helping us regain a peaceful nights sleep as well as for our daughter. I can’t thank her and the service enough. I truly was sceptical but desperate to try anything after seeing real results I can’t put a price on what this has done for us as a family. To any sleep deprived parents who have been through everything without avail, you will not be dissapointed. Thank you so much. ” ~ Aleksandra
Even co-sleeping wasn’t getting this family the sleep they needed. Nervous about cry it out, but experiencing hourly wake ups overnight, and cat naps throughout the day, this family new something had to change.
There is a big misconception that sleep training is all about causing distress and abandoning your child all night.
Once we have fully evaluated why your child is waking so frequently, and why their naps are still so short, our plan can be designed to take into account every change needed to holistically work on your child’s sleep.
Causes of 1 hourly wake ups overnight.
Short day naps.
Hormones due to over tiredness, cortisol and adrenaline.
Inability to self settle after a wake up.
Habitual wake ups contributing to over tiredness.
Cold if no sleeping bag provided.
Pain if baby has reflux.
Being put down in cot asleep rather than sleepy, or awake.
“I would like to take this opportunity to thank Kelly for her advice and guidance in helping us with our 8.5 month old.
For months I had fought with the idea of ‘sleep training’ as we were very iffy about letting our son ‘cry it out’ or causing unnecessary distress on our baby. But when enough is enough we had to do something or at least get some advice on what we could do to help our son sleep as well as get some rest ourselves.
Our son is exclusively breast fed and had been rocked/patted to sleep from day one.
He was not napping well during the day (45 mins tops), over tried by 5pm, and waking every hour through the night for 3 months. (4 & 6 month regression is REAL!)
We thought we had tried everything, even Co-sleeping didn’t work! I contacted Kelly when our son was 7.5 months. We booked in a 2 hour in home consultation where she would also help us settle our son for a nap. We thought it wasn’t ever going to happen, but we got our son to fall asleep in his OWN cot in 40 mins.
Yay, no more little feet kicking me in my back!!!!
More importantly Kelly showed us a gentle sleep training technique which we were very happy about. That night we tried it ourselves and to our surprise we got our little one to sleep in 15 minutes.
As the days progressed it took less time to settle our little one. NOW, he will happily go to sleep on his own, in his own cot with very little to no assistance required.
No more tears!Winning!
He is now a great napper, where he naps for 2 solid hours at midday (sometimes we have to go wake him up!). Our boy still wakes for a breastfeed in the night (common for exc BF babies), but we have surely come a very long long way, so we are very HAPPY with the progress thus far!
The new routine is very easy to follow and has settled into our household perfectly.
Rocking my stroller through the night | Now brilliant night sleep
“I spent the first 8 months of Lucy’s life rocking her stroller every 30 minutes throughout the day, and way too frequently at night…..
I actually thought I was developing post natal depression. I dreaded waking up in the morning and starting every day again, walking and rocking the stroller just to force some naps to happen and to stop the crying.
Lucy was thriving and healthy, everyone told me how lucky I was. But the crying and lack of sleep was really taking its toll on me.”
“I spoke to the Baby Sleep Consultant team after registering for a free chat. I didn’t really hold up any hope I felt like I was a lost cause, and no one could help me. But Abby reassured me that Lucy simply had a rock to sleep association, and that I needed to create a new association for her.
We booked a phone consult and Abby called me the next day.
She was so calm and reassuring. We spoke about Lucy’s sleep dept and my frustrations with trying to settle her to sleep. I explained to Abby I was sleeping Lucy in her stroller even at night, as I had no way of settling her if it wasn’t to rock her to sleep. Lucy had never spent a full night in her cot.
We put a plan into place to teach Lucy to sleep in her cot, and support her as she developed new associations away from her stroller and the rocking.
Her nights got better and better. In just a matter of days she sleeping through the night and in her cot all night!
I couldn’t believe it…..
I had put off asking for help for so long. I think partially due to the depression I was feeling.
Once I asked for help with Lucy’s sleep, I actually started to feel better, but I also felt more confident in asking my Dr for help with my depression.
I never thought fixing Lucy’s sleep would have such a positive impact on my life, not only in the fact that I was getting more sleep, and Lucy was getting more sleep, but I was so much happier in myself!
Who would have thought having a phone consult would be so life changing!” ~ Erin Rosser
The phone consult package is comprehensive, holistic and has proven results.
Give us a week, and we’ll turn your sleep around.
Miriam – Melbourne Baby Sleep Consultant helps her 6 month old client go from waking 1-2 hourly to Sleeping Through The Night!
Kristina and her husband were exhausted when I went to see them, they had been surviving on such minimal sleep, they were only just holding it together.
Their son had regressed in his sleeping habits around 6 months old, and his over tiredness had compounded which had led to more and more sleep debt.
His naps were tricky, his days long, his temperament grumpy and tired. This boy needed sleep, the entire family did!
I love sharing our clients success with you, especially when they take the plunge, trust us 100% and invest in a home consultation. This tells me they are all in, they are committed to better sleep and they always work so hard for their goals and make me so proud!
“Our precious 1 year old son decided from 6 months of age that he was going to start waking every 1-2 hours during the night!
So after 6 months of my husband and I being severely sleep deprived we decided that neither us or our baby could continue on like this with such terrible sleep patterns and I approached Baby Sleep Consultants.
Thank God we did! Miriam was our sleep consultant and what a blessing she has been! From our first phone call to the home visit and correspondence via phone/emails Miriam has been nothing but warming ,supportive and caring!
By night 2 of following Miriam’s recommended schedule our son slept through the night and we have not looked back! Its like we have a new baby and I cant begin to tell you how refreshed my husband I feel,because we now (after 6 months of surviving on 3 hours sleep) can rest uninterrupted!
I without a doubt highly recommend Miriam, if you are having sleep issues with your child fix it sooner rather than later! From the bottom of our hearts thank you Miriam for you have truly given us our life back!”
Six months of 3 hours sleep a night!
That level of sleep deprivation is next level, and I am so happy for Kristina, her husband and their son! Their bodies will be getting back to an even setting, stress hormones will begin to calm down, their appetites will regulate again.
They’ll be healthier and experience less illness this winter, and emotionally they will feel so much better. I am so happy for them! Sleep is so amazing!
Miriam is a Melbourne based Baby and Child Sleep Consultant
Call Miriam on 0416 248 778 to discuss your needs today
Moving from a cot to a bed
So the time has come to make the BIG move – into a bed! For some the thought of this can be SUPER exciting – your little one is growing up and for others it can be a scary prospect!
What I do suggest is before taking this big leap; ensure it is the right time and you are doing it for the right reasons.
What are the right reasons and the right age?
Is your little one over 2.5 years of age? Personally I think even closer to 3 is better…
Is your little one climbing out of the cot? This becomes a safety issue and we have no other option
Another baby on the way and you need the cot? Sometimes it can be best to buy another cot rather than change the status quo…
Is your little one just itching to get into a big boy bed? Not always the best decision to say “what the heck let’s do it” – toddlers don’t have a great deal of impulse control and although they know you want them to stay in bed, it is just too tempting not to – given this new found freedom…!
With the decision made – I have come up with 6 top tips that will certainly help with this cot to bed transition:
Firstly, discuss the move with your toddler rather than just springing it on them! For many little ones they have come to love their cot – it’s all they’ve known and it feels safe and familiar to them. If the space allows – it can be a great idea to set up the bed in the room as a place to read stories while your toddler still sleeps in the cot but becomes acquainted with the bed. This makes for a smooth transition.
We want to ensure that your little one does not fall out of bed! Even if they are moving into a toddler bed as opposed to a full size bed it is still elevated off the ground. Toddlers are inclined to sleep in some crazy positions and having been supported by cot sides for so long it did not matter whether they slept sideways, long ways, wedged up against the corner of the cot… whatever! All of a sudden – they can easily fall out! I suggest purchasing a bed rail or using a specific wedge or pool noodle which can slip easily underneath a fitted sheet and hold your little cherub in.
Speaking of safety – now that your toddler is able to hop out of bed freely we want to ensure that the sleep environment is completely safe. This means fixing any furniture to the wall that is likely to fall on them if they attempt to climb it in the wee hours of the morning. Having a clean out and popping toys away for a while to discourage play and encourage sleep in the middle of the night is a great idea!
Now that they are in a big bed, we automatically think blankets or doona! Don’t be so quick to ditch that sleeping bag! It isn’t until around 4 years of age when your child will learn to pull the covers back over themselves if they become uncovered and cold in the middle of the night. The sleeping bag still works as a great wearable blanket and in the early days will ensure they are not waking up cold and calling out to you unnecessarily.
A sleep aid such as a Gro clock can be an excellent tool to introduce. You can set the Gro clock to a suitable wakeup time of your choice and teach your toddler to stay put until the Gro clock shows that it is time to get up out of bed and start the day.
Finally, if your child is constantly hopping out of bed at bed time, in the middle of the night or at crazy o’clock (aka 5am!) be sure to pick a settling technique that you are comfortable with and implement it consistently to encourage this behaviour to subside.
West Adelaide Coffee and Sleep Talk
Come to my next coffee group chat
Friday, 1 September 2017
10:00am (approximately 90 minutes in length)
To be held at Carnevale Coffee Roasters, 114-118 East Avenue, Clarence Park
Tickets just $20.00
Text Kelly on 0403 521 222 or email firstname.lastname@example.org to book your ticket today!
We’ll cover everything you need to know so you can walk away and put actionable steps into place immediately.
You will feel empowered and informed on the best way to tackle sleep challenges for your family.
We don’t compromise your parenting style to get results.
We’ll be covering gentle sleep training as well as cry based methods.
Nutrition for good sleep.
Sleep props and when to ditch the dummy and more!
You take home the age appropriate brochure you need, jam packed with all your sleep advice.
Plenty of time for Q&A too!
See you there!
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“Kelly has made life so much easier for us! I live in country SA so I had phone consultations with Kelly. She was really easy to talk to and very thorough. Our 8 month old boy had previously been self-settling okay but prior to speaking with Kelly, for about six weeks, he had been so difficult to get to sleep and had been waking up so much during the night. Kelly really supported me with setting up his nap routine and giving me the strength to be able to do the spaced soothing method. Within a week Archie was doing really well and now two weeks into the routine I wish I had done it sooner. I am getting so much more sleep and the routine is so easy to follow. Kelly was very fast to respond to any questions I had along the way. I highly recommend her as a sleep consultant.” ~ Katrina
“We had Kelly come out and visit us for our 16 month old baby who had not been sleeping for the past four months due to a run of illnesses. I was beyond exhausted having been severely sleep deprived for 5 years due to sleep issues with other children. If only I had met Kelly years ago! Kelly was calm, confident and blended into our house well so my baby felt at ease while she helped guide me in settling her. I did not feel my style of parenting was compromised and I felt relieved and confident when Kelly left. My baby slept for 2.5 hours that day. Peacefully and happily. Since then we have been on an upward trend with sleep. My baby settles every day for a nap from 1.5-2.5 hours and is now only waking once a night and I feel confident if I keep following Kelly’s program we can sleep through the night. Our family is recovering and I am very grateful for Kelly’s ongoing support and help. I highly recommend Kelly and this program.” ~ April
“Kelly from Baby Sleep Consultant has changed my life, and all for the better! Only a few weeks ago, my 7 month old boy was needing to be resettled every hour at night, along with up to 4 feeds, he was catnapping for only 30mins throughout the day, snack feeding all the time, needing to be rocked and held and cried to sleep every single time. He had suffered from Silent Reflux and we had gotten into some bad habits just to get him to sleep. Thanks to putting a great plan in place, along with Kelly’s support via email and phonecalls I now have a champion sleeper who no longer snack feeds and can self settle! I’m still in disbelief some days, but it has seriously been the best decision we have made since he was born. I do believe it is something you have to be mentally ready for, to make that change, but at no stage did I ever feel unsupported. In fact I now feel so confident with his sleep as well as being a mum it makes every day for him and us much happier. Thank you Kelly” ~ Erin
“After reading lots of literature on different methods of sleep settling, I found myself frustrated that everything seemed to be contradicting and not relevant to my situation. I called Kelly to come for a home visit after meeting her at the Lollipop Markets. The pre-visit information she collected made me feel confident that her approach was not a, ‘one size fits all.’ After working with Kelly I feel confident and consistent in my sons sleep routine and cannot thank her enough for her help, support and advice, which was all individualized to our situation, beliefs and the outcomes we wanted. Could not speak more highly of her. Thank you Kelly!” ~ Megan
Kelly is amazing, you do not want to miss this Sleep Talk, and opportunity to meet Kelly and learn from her knowledge!
When to stop swaddling is the million dollar question!
Taking the leap and un-swaddling your baby can be nerve wracking!
What if they won’t settle?
What if they wake up all night?
Leaving the cosiness of a good wrap can take time and perseverance, and often a gradual approach will give your baby the gentlest transition with the least sleep disruption.
If your baby starts to roll back-tummy you need to either un-swaddle immediately or invest in a safety sleep for a few months to prevent baby rolling back to tummy in their swaddle in bed. Fortunately, most babies don’t do this until closer to 6 months when they can easily cope with no swaddle, but some little clever bubba’s do this as early as 3-4 months!
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If baby is on the cusp of wanting to be snug in a firm swaddle and wanting to be free, he may benefit from a slower transition.
If your baby isn’t rolling but is over 4 months and you think they might be ready to un-swaddle, try one arm out for a few days to ascertain if your baby is ready.
If they cope well, then you can remove the second arm and transfer to a sleeping bag. Taking your time, about 1-3 weeks for the whole unswaddling process is common. Transitional swaddles can help in this process, or you can simple go back to a muslin and wrap one arm in and one out.
To swaddle with one arm out, copy the picture below and simply wrap the final layer around your babies tummy not their arm.
“I took Ben out of his wrap when he was 6 months old, he coped really well at that age. I had tried at 4 months but he just wasn’t ready, he cried and didn’t sleep a lot, I am glad we waited the few extra days.” ~ Julie
“Isla was wrapped until she was 9 months! In hindsight this was a sleep prop for her, and we had to sleep train her for 4 days to sleep without the swaddle, this was quite tricky and I wish we had done it sooner. She really wasn’t used to sleeping with movement and freedom.” ~ Louise
“Evie was in her sleeping bag by 4 months, she was an early roller so I had no choice. I was really worried as she slept so well in her swaddle, but within a week we were back to our old sleeping patterns, and she was so happy in her sleeping bag until she was 2!” ~ Kirsty
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Your baby’s sleep and their dummy
Tell someone your baby or toddler has a dummy and they are bound to have an opinion!
Heck I had an opinion before I had children, there was no way I would let my baby have a dummy.
(Insert your laughter at me here….)
Then I had my first baby, and obviously every preconceived idea I had about being a parent went out the window, and by day 3 my baby had a dummy.
What a life saver!
She could have her feed, and then use the dummy to fall asleep, not my very tendor, slightly falling apart nipples!
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Dummies come in 3 phases.
3. That icky in between stage
1. If you have a newborn who needs a dummy, great! Give it to them. You can tug on it slightly to teach them to hold it in tighter, you can hold it with one hand and pat their bum with the other, or you can use to help wind a newborn. Magic, honestly!
2. Toddlers, if you have a toddler (12 months +) who still has a dummy, we often get asked when and how do you ditch it. Now your dentist and I have different opinions on this. While he would rather your child never had a dummy, I think once they have it that long, you really need to wait until they are 2.5 years + to explain that its gone away, and there is no more dummy. Trying to remove one in those inbetween years is really tricky, and often not an enjoyable experience.
3. The icky in between stage: This is where you have to make a call; wean baby off the dummy around 12 weeks and gradually onto self settling, or be happy to pop the dummy back in for them for up to 6-8 months before they can learn to do it themselves. This stage 12weeks – 8months is a common one for us to be helping parents with better sleep as the constant dummy runs means broken sleep for baby, and you…………this over tiredness can then result in shorter naps, more night wake ups, earlier starts…. and a cycle which often feels out of control and like no one is getting any sleep! Self settling strategies are the goal, if this is you.
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“My husband asked me today how much we spent on the sleep guide we downloaded last week? He couldn’t believe when I told him! We had spent the weekend teaching Ava to sleep without her dummy as I couldn’t do the dummy run any more! She was now sleeping through instead of waking 4-5 times a night for her dummy. I would have paid so much more considering the success we had in such a short time. Thank you so much for your resource!” ~Jenny and Mark