We get to catch up with our friend Josh Patterson, host of the (Re)Thinking Faith Podcast (also former minister, current church worker, and beer aficionado) about so many super-smart theo-nerdy things it's hard to contain them all in one description: Josh's spiritual journey, an introduction to Open and Relational theology, the dynamic nature of the world, the uncertainty of faith, heaven and hell, the nature of God and LOVe and reality itself, and a hundred stops along the way. We're dropping names, quoting philosophers, flashing book covers, and generally trying to keep up with Josh's mental ..read more

Mark and Kelly talk with Mason Mennenga, “the Internet’s Youth Pastor,” about his journey from Evangelical purity culture through his seminary and theological training that brought him to some radical new understandings of Christianity—and we talk about all the work he does on social media and his podcasts to share his studied theology—in an often hilarious and irreverent way. Mason Mennenga On X: @masonmennenga Podcasts: @peoplestheology & @blacksheeppod YouTube.com/masonmennenga ..read more

We had an energetic and inspiring conversation with Meg Calvin, author, speaker, and coach who works with "Spiritually Attuned Go-getters" to write, publish, and market best-selling books on Amazon and Audible. We talk about her spiritual background, her life in ministry and why she moved on to do this work, her 5 RULES of writing (VERY deep stuff in a simple format!), the spirituality of the writing process, and more reasons why if you are feeling the call to write that book, you should WRITE THAT BOOK! Meg Calvin https://www.megcalvin.com/ https://www.instagram.com/heymegcalvin/ linktr.ee ..read more

We talk with our own Mark Dilcom about the new non-profit human rights organization that he founded and is Executive Director of, DIVINE All Along. DIVINE All Along was founded based on the premise that everyone is part of the divine--no matter where they are in life's journey or their personal development--but that flawed theology has separated people from the divine in themselves, and has yielded prejudice, persecution, and exclusion of people who don't fit the church's definition of right sexuality or gender identity. DIVINE All Along is dedicated to opposing religious abuse and trauma agai ..read more

The return of Jay Bakker, punk-rock pastor of Revolution Church, author, speaker, and son of famed televangelists Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye (Bakker) Messner. Jay blasts open the idea of a right/wrong side of the partisan divide, arguing for a radical and very literal acceptance of "Love your Enemy." It's an energetic adventure through the Book of Galatians, and the work of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, John Hume, Gahndi, Paul Tillich, and other thinkers and philosophers as we discuss how those on the right AND the left turn their beliefs into law for the others to follow, instead of trusting Grac ..read more

We talk with a dear friend Melanie Hood-Wilson, longtime educator and advocate on the front lines of the fight for diversity, equity, and inclusion. In a political and religious environment that wants to brand efforts at inclusivity as "too woke," we continue our "Words into Action" series and dive right in on who benefits from the status quo, who would benefit from change, and examples of what Jesus said--and did--on the matter. Melanie is is the leader and Executive Consultant at Melanie Hood Wilson and Associates, an organization involved in education, advocacy, and hands-on solutions to he ..read more

Mark and Kelly challenge one another to talk about how we put our beliefs into action. Is it with our time? Our money? What organizations we support? Is it one-on-one, or community-based? Does talking, writing, or teaching count? (One thing we KNOW it is not is yelling at other people on Facebook and X-Twitter). We've talked a lot over the last couple of years about the state of the church and spirituality and society and where the needs are. This week we talk about how to move beyond words into action. #religion #christianity #society #justice #activism #deconstruction #exvangelical #politi ..read more

We welcome the return of our friend Colby Martin, pastor, writer, coach, and LGBTQ+ advocate. This conversation leads off with a heartfelt and personal one-on-one conversation with Mark and Colby about the latter's work in fighting for LGBTQ+ inclusion and greater compassion within religious spaces, then once Kelly gets out of traffic, all 3 of us jump into the fray in a conversation that looks head-on at topics such as "Hate the Sin/Love the Sinner" and what it Really Means to LOVE your ENEMIES (yes, even that ONE guy.) Join us for a funny, authentic, real exploration of the spiritual issues ..read more

We have talked a lot about deconstruction and the reasons that people question, test, and sometimes leave their faith. Inspired by this weekend's God After Deconstruction event, Mark and Kelly and special guest Josh Patterson (from the (Re) Thinking Faith podcast) talk about what our individual journeys looked like after deconstruction, and the windows--intellectual, mystical, experiential--through which we caught the first glimpses of our authentic faith ..read more

We have talked a lot about deconstruction and the reasons that people question, test, and sometimes leave their faith. Inspired by this weekend's God After Deconstruction event, Mark and Kelly and special guest Josh Patterson (from the (Re) Thinking Faith podcast) talk about what our individual journeys looked like after deconstruction, and the windows--intellectual, mystical, experiential--through which we caught the first glimpses of our authentic faith ..read more