As we finally close the season, Shadiin both apologizes AND blames Delma for being at fault for this episode taking soooo long to record/post... Delma checks in about Christmas covid, working in a predominantly white institution (PWIs) and what it's like to navigate these spaces. He gives a shout to Corporate Erin and #NonProfitBoss for giving voice to the strangeness of the culture. Shadiin and Delma reflect on how we choose to engage with the heaviness of the conflict in Gaza and how we decide when to do so v not. We leverage that conversation to look at what it means to have the privilege t ..read more

We have something special to share with you this week. This is the audio version of an essay, written by one of our collective members at the Center for Whole Communities, Samara Gaev. We simply invite you to close your eyes and take this in when you have the time, and listen as Samara gives voice to the tender reality of what it’s like to bring young ones into this world in a time of conflict, trauma, and chaos ..read more

Thank you for your patience faithful listener! This week, Shadiin opens up by saying the quiet part out loud and admits she loves to hear Delma stumble over pronunciations. Delma checks in about what it means to respond to the world around us based on perceived racial identity and gender and how we potentially replicate the very systems we seek to change. Shadiin reflects on the pride she feels in watching her children become "good humans" in this world. She also discusses the way recent events and triggered her anger and how she's managing (or not) to move with it. After the break, our fearle ..read more

Our hosts open up how much Shadiin REALLY appreciates Delma's presence in her life. From there, they discuss the nature of contemporary politics and the role of Trump in changing the political landscape so much that you start to miss Reagan and Bush. Shadiin talks about the way our various "hats" we wear impact how we choose to show up in various places. Are we being our authentic selves? CAN we be our authentic selves and still hold down a job? DIJ then welcomes our guest, Ginny McGinn, the long-time director of Center for Whole Communities. Ginny discusses what it means to lead an agency thr ..read more

With the encouragement of both Shadiin and Dr. Finney, Delma briefly considers taking up late night DJ-ing. Shadiin and Delma check in about the passing of Delma's colleague and classmate, Dr. Charles Banks and the disproportionate health outcomes of BIPOC populations. Shadiin discusses her son's and their future plans. She also raises what it means to receive feedback from listeners about her "single" status and what it means practice relationships beyond monogamy and her recent dating fun in her dating life. After the break our hosts welcome the "notorious" Dr. Carolyn Finney who discusses h ..read more

Shadiin sets up Delma once again to mispronounce indigenous nations. They check in on the Trump's team showing up in Fulton County and the idea that Fani Willis deserves her flowers sooner than later. Shadiin discusses the crazy-making that is holding people in loving accountability and the toll it takes on BIPOC. After the break, our fearless hosts welcome Taj James: Founder and former Director of the Movement Strategy Center, Curator at Full Spectrum Labs and Principal at Full Spectrum Capital Partners. Taj invites us to consider a different form of capitalism wherein peo ..read more

Our hosts check in about the start of the school year so Delma can complain about having to start getting up earlier and getting organized again. They take a moment to reminisce about his Aunt Emma as she transitions into "the pantheon of ancestors." Shadiin reflects on what it means to be tough, the trauma we navigate to get there, and what our kids gain and lose in the process of protecting them from it. Our fearless hosts then welcome our first guest of the season: Jonah Canner! A long time friend, colleague, teacher, and practitioner, Jonah joins us to discuss what it means to do this work ..read more

Shadiin and Delma open up discussing the cultural relevance of the "Rock at the Dock," The "Fadesgivin' Festivities, " otherwise known as the August 5th "Montgomery Mollywhop," wherein a group of white Alabamans fucked around and found out. They discuss how the role of blood quantum and other western notions of belonging continue to haunt the Pueblo nation Shadiin belongs to and what it means to dive into the work of calling in folks who look just like you but hold VERY different politics. Finally, as our hosts hit the halfway point of the season, they pause to take note of what the season has ..read more

This week, we discover why Delma never became a serious runner and why Shadiin is cowboy adjacent and an enemy of our bovine brothers and sisters. Meanwhile, your hosts try to figure out why it feels like white people are often more emotive regarding tragedies befalling our four-legged family than they are when it happens to their fellow BIPOC siblings. After Delma's blood pressure comes back down, our hosts discuss the ways we choose to compromise ourselves even as we're trying to change the world for the better. How does our desire for comfort and security impact our willingness to speak tru ..read more

Shadiin encourages Delma to BRING IT with the introduction. Our hosts discuss a lived experience of a micro-aggression and all the ways the mind and body responded in the moment...striving hard to say the quiet parts out loud. After the break, our hosts discuss the journey from our younger, more rigid, newly-informed "woke" selves to our more comfortable, older, more flexible selves of today. Did we sell out? Did we get too comfortable? Were we TOO woke for our own good when we were younger? We don't know, but we're gonna talk about it. Come join us ..read more